2010 Acura TSX, TL Lease Rates – December 2009

logo_acuraMy Take: For those who missed out on the TSX V6’s $1500, I’m sorry to say, it’s gone. Expect the payments to jump over $40 per month at this point. The $1500 rebate for the V6 has been extended until January 4th!!!! Get on it!!!! This is probably one of the best deals around. I have driven the V6 and I have to say, it is far superior to the 4cyl. The lease rates for the TL and TSX remain unchanged from November and will run through the remainder of the year (and probably a few days into the New Year). Word of caution, Acura money factors do vary from region to region, so if you are getting the crappy 0.00201 MF, that’s pretty much all you are going to get. When in doubt, always crosscheck with other dealers to make sure you are getting the right MF.

One last note I’d like to point out for those who wonder why cars with Tech packages have a lower residual value. Based on my conversation with my Acura dealer, cars with Navi/Tech packages do not hold value well in the long run. The Navi, for example, costs about $2000 in a new car, but it’s only worth no more $300 after three years when appraised as a trade-in or in auction. Tech, Navi, RES packages are really meant for folks who keep their cars and don’t mind the depreciation because they don’t plan to sell the car or return it. General rule of thumb, if you want to save money, lease base models and get a portable Navi. They are dirt cheap anyway and some, like the Garmin Nuvi 755 (referral), come with FREE lifetime traffic subscription. I think Costco has the 755 for $199 (plus tax) right now, which is slightly cheaper than from Amazon.

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2010 Acura TL

2010 Acura TL Base
36-month | 15k miles | residual 58% | .00154 base money factor

2010 Acura TL SHAWD w/Technology
36-month | 15k miles | residual 53% | .00154 base money factor

2010 Acura TSX

2010 Acura TSX
36-month | 15k miles | residual 59% | .00168 base money factor

2010 Acura TSX w/Technology
36-month | 15k miles | residual 56% | .00168 base money factor

2010 Acura TSX V6
36-month | 15k miles | residual 55% | .00119 base money factor

2010 Acura TSX V6 w/Technology
36-month | 15k miles | residual 52% | .00119 base money factor

Shopping for the Next Ride – Part 1

Last Saturday marked the beginning of my quest to find my wife’s next car. I compiled a spreadsheet (yes, I am that anal-retentive) listing a wide range of choices, complete with the make, model, trim, msrp, invoice, rebates, residual vales and money factors I could find (along with other performance details for quick comparison). Then I crunched the numbers a bit to come up with a basic monthly payment (with tax using invoice price plus rebates) to give me a ballpark idea as to what to expect per month. I didn’t include inception fees since that number varies from place to place and it usually requires that I actually sit down and start working out the fine details with my dealer. I do however, have a pretty good idea what to expect since I’ve been leasing cars for nearly a decade. I also know that for every $1000 borrowed, that the payments will either increase or decrease by $30 per month. Using this general guideline, I can quickly adjust my payments if one dealers inception fees are higher than another.

Here is a list of what cars we saw this past weekend.

  1. Mercedes Benz C300
  2. BMW 328i
  3. Acura TSX Base
  4. Acura TL Base
  5. Acura TSX V6 Base

MB C300

We made our first stop over at Mercedes Benz of Long Beach. Overall, my wife came away impressed with the built quality, the road manners and it’s performance. The ride was smooth, quiet and satisfying. I also came away impressed with the interior details and features, such as the compass that actually tells you which street you are on without the need of the Navi feature. There was one thing I didn’t like though, which was the cruise control lever. It sits so close to the turn signal that you can sometimes click that by mistake.  Anyway, solid ride overall. I didn’t talk dollars and cents because we weren’t ready to take the plunge; but as you know, for the right price, I don’t mind pulling the trigger a little earlier than usual. When it comes to financing a Mercedes though, I think the biggest turn-off are the fees. The $1095 bank fee is over three hundred more than BMWs and nearly double of what Acura charges. Then you got your disposition fee (which can be waived if you stay with MB on your next car) which I dislike a lot because it feels like a gimmick to force you to buy the car. With the bads, there are always going to be good things with MB leases as well. The “pull-ahead” program is great, allowing you to get into your next lease/purchase anywhere from three to five months before you lease ends. The payments are waived, not rolled over into the new car which can help you get in an out of a lease without worrying about negative equity. Plus you can get $500 in wear-n-tear and can get  your disposition fee waived.

BMW 328i

After the C300, we headed over to Long Beach BMW. As I have mentioned to many of you. If you are in Southern California and you are in the market for a BMW, Dave is probably one of the easiest guys to work with so I highly recommend him.  In any case,  as a bonus for visiting, I got to preview the 550 GT, which began rolling into dealerships (in a VERY limited quantities) about a week or two ago. My first impression is that its not really my kind of ride. Its like a X6 and 7-series wrapped together under a 5-series badge. Plush, sophisticated and probably drives well too. But not my cup of tea.

Anyway, while Dave and I chit chatted about the RIDE with G site, upcoming sales and what not, my wife hopped on the freeway and was doing 90 mph in a blink of an eye. This car is fast for being the “lower-end” 3-series. Sure, its no 335i or G37 (I am being biased here), but it’s still pretty quick and nimble. Wife liked the interior, the easy controls and the performance. Her verdict? The best “driver” car so far. The Ultimate Driving machine for all the right reasons.

Acura TSX Base / Acura TL Base/ Acura TSX V6 Base

Our last stop was to visit our dealer Power Acura in Torrance, CA. We got our 2007 TSX from him some years ago, so it is natural to come back to see what kind of deal we can work out for us. My wife got to drive all three of these cars and decided that the TL and the 4cyl TSX were not for her. The TL was a too big, while the TSX 4cyl didn’t have enough power to help her zig-zag through LA traffic. So the TSX V6 was the obvious in-between choice. What we love about Acuras in general is the fact that all their “base” models come loaded with so many features that cost extra on other models such as the C300 and the 328i. The C300 we test drove had an MSRP of $37k, while the 3-series topped at $40k. The V6 TSX came in at $35k and has more standard features than the other two, combined.  Money talks and the TSX V6 offered to me was cheap. $1800 off invoice (Eric got an even better deal). $1100 due at signing, $409 per month (including 9.75% sales tax). No security deposit, $595 bank fee, $45 dealer fee, no disposition, GAP included.  Problem with this deal is that it will end on the 30th of Nov, when the $1500 dealer cash on the V6 expires. If the cash doesn’t come back, I expect the payments to increase about $50 bucks more per month. Ouch! With the BMW cash and rates, I have until January. Same on the MB, just no cash. There is also the option to special order the 328i or C300 to lock in the rates and then pick it up 2-3 months later when the TSX lease is about to expire. This would put us in a good position because it will keep our expenses at a minimum. In any case, the final decision will come down to how much car can we get for the money, so we will have to test drive a few more rides and price them out some more to get a feel for what other good deals there are out there.

Here is the rest of the “to drive” list:

  1. VW Jetta TDI
  2. VW CC 2.oT Sport
  3. Infiniti G37 Journey Sedan
  4. VW Tiguan S 4motion
  5. Lexus IS250
  6. Hyundai Genesis 3.8 Sedan
  7. Mazda CX-7 GT
  8. Audi A4 2.0T Premium Plus
  9. Mazda 6s GT
  10. Toyota Prius II
  11. Honda Insight EX
  12. Subaru Impress 2.5GT
  13. Subaru Legacy 2.5GT

I know it’s a handful, but we don’t discriminate. Haahaa.

So the moral of this story is simple; Make sure you have a lot of options available to you if you are on a budget. Look around, drive around. Don’t commit to anything. If possible, visit dealers that you already know. This will help you not get stuck with some new guy trying to make a sale and hounding you endlessly. If you don’t have a dealer, you might want to start by looking for one online on Google, Edmunds or TrueCar. The market’s changed and buyers/lessees are in charge right now. Take your time, and do your research. If you have never driven the car, do it early, so you know what you like and what you don’t. I like to start early because it gets me ready to pounce when I see a great deal. It’s still somewhat early in the game for us, so we will be test driving more cars and weighing our options; but so far, the wife is digging the C300, with the 328 and TSX V6 following in a close second and third. Stay tuned for Part 2 of “Shopping for the Next Ride”.

Anyway, here are more pics of the 2010 BMW 550 GT.

2010 Acura RDX, TL, TSX Lease Rates – November 2009

logo_acuraUPDATE: There is the $1500 cash rebate for the Base TSX V6 and $2000 TSX V6 with Tech that’s expiring 11/30/2009. I just got a quote today from my dealer Jerry (In Torrance, CA) for the 2010 TSX V6 Base for $1100 due at signing and $409 per month. That includes 9.75% sales tax for LA county. Smoking hot deal if you ask me. $1800 below invoice with the rebate. 2010 V6s are built in VERY limited quantity, so don’t bother asking me if the deal is going to be better in Dec or not; If you like it now, and can do it now, DO IT!

My Take: No cash on the RDX and TL, but the TSX V6 is getting $1500 cash for the base and $2000 for the Tech. The residuals dropped 1% on the 4 cyl model, while the V6 took a 2% hit. The good news is that the money factors dropped too, so it should keep the monthly payments around the same ballpark as last month. I personally like the older TSX, so I think the new one is probably just as good. I haven’t driven the new ones yet, but the V6 looks real tempting.

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2010 Acura RDX

2010 Acura RDX Base
36-month | 15k miles | residual 54% | .00200 base money factor

2010 Acura TL

2010 Acura TL Base
36-month | 15k miles | residual 58% | .00154 base money factor

2010 Acura TSX

2010 Acura TSX
36-month | 15k miles | residual 59% | .00168 base money factor

2010 Acura TSX w/Technology
36-month | 15k miles | residual 56% | .00168 base money factor

2010 Acura TSX V6
36-month | 15k miles | residual 55% | .00119 base money factor

2010 Acura TSX V6 w/Technology
36-month | 15k miles | residual 52% | .00119 base money factor

2009 Acura TL, MDX Lease Rates – October 2009

logo_acuraMy Take: Alright peeps. This has been both a slow month and a busy month for me. Slow meaning that a lot of the lease rates were had to find. Busy because I’ve been out of town a lot and occupied with “life” issues and finding time for some “R&R”. Nevertheless, I spend these last couple days digging and digging all over the place to find some rates and I’ve found some! So get ready for a flood of lease rates in the next 24 hrs. For those who think I’m not checking the forum’s requests page, think again. I do and I will say this. Don’t bother asking for cars like the Land Rover because their lease rates are bad probably 11 months out of 12. We’re talking 8-9% interest rates here, so don’t bother. Ditto on most brands related to American manufacturers. I do on occasion keep and eye out for some American brands that may have good lease support, but those are going to be spotty. Anyway, this post is about my take on the TL so let me get to that. The numbers remain unchanged from September, which is pretty decent. I added the SH-AWD with Tech into the mix for those shopping for the AWD model. The numbers look decent plus there is $2500 in dealer cash that you can combine with the lease rates listed below. I’m telling you. This is NOT a bad month to snag a TL if you dig the looks. 2010s are out, so this is effectively a fire sale. Shoot for invoice plus the dealer cash for a $2500 under invoice sale price. To get the best bang for the buck, shoot for the Base TL (unless you really need the navi and all the Technological goodness).

For the MDX, there is $2000 dealer cash available, but I don’t think that cash can save this lease to be honest. The dealer would have to dip below invoice THEN add the dealer cash. Then maybe, just maybe, you can get a good lease out of this.

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2010 Acura TL

2009 Acura TL Sedan
36-month | 15k miles | residual 54% | .00188 base money factor

2009 Acura TL Sedan Tech
36-month | 15k miles | residual 51% | .00188 base money factor

2010 Acura TL SH-AWD Tech
36-month | 15k miles | residual 54% | .00188 base money factor

2009 Acura MDX

2009 Acura MDX
36-month | 15k miles | residual 48% | .00162 base money factor

2009 Acura MDX Tech
36-month | 15k miles | residual 45% | .00162 base money factor

2009 Acura MDX Tech w/RES
36-month | 15k miles | residual 45% | .00162 base money factor

2009 Acura TL, MDX Lease Rates – September 2009

logo_acuraMy Take: I’m not really feeling the TL and MDX this month. The TL is virtually unchanged from last month, which is a bit disappointing. July was probably the best time to lease a TL because of the dealer cash that was available for leasing (which is very rare). There really isn’t much to say about the MDX either…with a residual this low, I’m not sure leasing is feasable. Unless you can get VERY aggressive pricing on the TL and MDX, I would probably take a pass and wait for the 2010s.

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2009 Acura TL

2009 Acura TL Sedan
36-month | 15k miles | residual 54% | .00188 base money factor

2009 Acura TL Sedan Tech
36-month | 15k miles | residual 51% | .00188 base money factor

2009 Acura MD

2009 Acura MDX Tech
36-month | 15k miles | residual 45% | .00162 base money factor

2009 Acura MDX Tech w/RES
36-month | 15k miles | residual 45% | .00162 base money factor

09 Acura TL Lease Rates – August 2009

logo_acuraMy Take: Pretty much the same as last month. The $2000 dealer cash, which can be used for a lease, is still in effect last I heard. Please refer to this post to get an idea of what a good price should be. Also keep in mind that the sale price does vary from state to state so do not expect So Cal prices if you live in like Wyoming or somewhere were competition is practically non-existent. Yes, the design is controversial, but I’m sure some of you can grow to love it. Just look at Allan’s new TL, he had the dealer paint the silver grill black and it looks WAY better!

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2009 Acura TL

2009 Acura TL Sedan
36-month | 15k miles | residual 56% | .00184 base money factor

2009 Acura TL Sedan SH-AWD
36-month | 15k miles | residual 55% | .00184 base money factor

2009 Acura TL Sedan Tech
36-month | 15k miles | residual 54% | .00184 base money factor

2009 Acura TL Sedan SH-AWD Tech
36-month | 15k miles | residual 52% | .00184 base money factor

Anyone Want An Acura TL Lease?

logo_acuraI emailed my Acura dealer today regarding the 09 TSX w/ Tech and 09 TL w/ Tech to see how they looked like this month.  I was blown away by the numbers he gave me! His 09 TSXs completely sold out, so only the 2010s are on the lot. Next, he has VERY limited availability on the 09 TLs and I can see why (more on that later). Before I get to the numbers, I’m sure you are curious as to why I’m inquiring about lease quotes when I just got an 08 G37 last year and still have 9 months on my wife’s TSX (Well, maybe you aren’t curious, but I’ll tell you anyway. LOL) I’m trying to see if selling the TSX makes more sense than waiting 9 months before replacing it with whats left of the 2010s. This is the 2nd year in a row he’s pretty much sold out (or had limited availability) on the TSX and TLs. I know the wife would appreciate all the Tech and safety features on Acuras (plus we love their lease programs), so I thought it would be wise to take a look. Lets just say I came away SERIOUSLY thinking about this.

The 2010 Acura TSX w/ Tech is not a good lease right now. 58% and 0.00243 is a joke. You’ll be looking at mid to high $400s, so don’t even bother getting a quote this month because you can get similarly equipped 09 TL for a few bucks more.

This is where it gets interesting!

2009 Acura TL w/Tech – $423 + tax, with inception due at signing. Keep in mind I am not using the same exact numbers he’s giving me. This is more of my inception due-at-signing routine, where I keep the fees away from the lease loan.  His exact numbers were $1100 drive-off, $438 a month + tax. That is because he is rolling the bank fee into the lease loan to keep your inception fee lower. Otherwise, you’d be paying around $1600 instead of $1100. Want more numbers? MSRP $39,445 and he’s giving a whopping $6,850 off the sticker price. That’s $3,771 BELOW invoice and $2,216 BELOW Edmund’s TMV (See why TMV is so unreliable sometimes?!?). Need more reasons to consider the TL? Check out The List and you’ll see that the TL actually falls below most cars this month. For a $39k car, that’s pretty darn good. If you want to buy, you can use this price (which includes the $2000 dealer cash) with the 2.9% APR for 60 months.

Now, if you are willing to do business with my Acura dealer, here are some ground rules.

  1. I will only provide you his contact information via email. So you must contact me to get it.
  2. This is a FRIEND referral, not Dealerplace. This means, you must act as if you know me.  I suggest saying you are one of my web design clients or something.
  3. Serious inquiries ONLY. I plan to to refer the first TWO people who contact me about this deal, because it would seem rather suspicious if a flock of people start emailing him within 24 hrs. I don’t have THAT many friends looking to  buy a car right now. LOL.
  4. Please do not haggle. It would reflect poorly on me if you tried to haggle this already low price. I don’t want him thinking my referrals are difficult. You aren’t required to lease from him, but please don’t make me look bad.
  5. Under no circumstances should you mention the RIDE with G website. I’m not sure how he’d react to a site like this, so lets just keep it  hush-hush for now.
  6. Be sure to tell me your name and where you are from, in case he calls me or emails me about you.
  7. This is in Southern California. If you are within driving distance to LA/OC, I suggest that you send me an email.

The way my guy works is simple…He gives me the rockbottom price, below invoice (when the market suggests that’s the case), all  in one email.  I like that.  If you want to shop around your area first, go ahead,I’ve given you the numbers. If no one wants to beat it, you know where to find me.

UPDATE: If you don’t need a TL with Tech, the Base I was offered was $30,196, off of a MSRP of $35,850 (around $5,654 off MSRP). My guess is that the payments should be around $360-$370 + tax. That’s cheaper than my G37 deal from last year which came out to $368 + tax.

09 Acura TL Lease Rates – June 2009

logo_acuraMy Take: TL lease rates are supposed to have stayed the same, so here they are. Money factor is a bit high, but its okay because the residuals are high as well. Be sure to inquire about MSDs if you want to “buy down” your money factor a bit. I’m still not a hugh fan of it’s looks, but I’m warming up to it. I think if the MF drops significantly, I would warm up to it even more. LOL.

At Invoice At MSRP
Make/Model Invoice MSRP 24-month 36-month 24-month 36-month
2009 Acura TL $32,896 $35,715 $526 $456 $650 $540

NOTE: Estimates assuming the following conditions:

  • Inception fees (1st month payment, DMV, doc fee, bank fee, tire tax and possible security deposit) due at signing.
  • Local Taxes not included.
  • 24-month/15k and 36-month/15k terms.
  • All cars are stock, without any options.
  • No rebates/incentives applied

2009 Acura TL

2009 Acura TL Sedan
24-month | 15k miles | residual 65% | .00220 base money factor
36-month | 15k miles | residual 58% | .00220 base money factor

2009 Acura TL Sedan SH-AWD
24-month | 15k miles | residual 63% | .00220 base money factor
36-month | 15k miles | residual 56% | .00220 base money factor

2009 Acura TL Sedan SH-AWD Tech
24-month | 15k miles | residual 60% | .00220 base money factor
36-month | 15k miles | residual 53% | .00220 base money factor

2009 Acura TL Sedan Tech
24-month | 15k miles | residual 62% | .00220 base money factor
36-month | 15k miles | residual 55% | .00220 base money factor